Euripides · Andromache Ἀνδρομάχη

Euripides, Andromache 645–692: Third episode: Menelaus replies to Peleus

Menelaus says that old men are called wise when they are only talkative, and that a king cannot be spoken to like this. He says that Andromache has seduced his daughter's husband and that it is no matter of one woman, and that he will get his way, and he asks why Peleus would risk his house for a woman.

Lines 645–692 · 462 words · click a number to copy its link
Μενέλαος 645τί δῆτ’ ἂν εἴποις τοὺς γέροντας, ὡς σοφοί, καὶ τοὺς φρονεῖν δοκοῦντας Ἕλλησίν ποτε; ὅτ’ ὢν σὺ Πηλεὺς καὶ πατρὸς κλεινοῦ γεγώς, κῆδος συνάψας, αἰσχρὰ μὲν σαυτῷ λέγεις ἡμῖν δ’ ὀνείδη διὰ γυναῖκα βάρβαρον, 650ἣν χρῆν σ’ ἐλαύνειν τήνδ’ ὑπὲρ Νείλου ῥοὰς ὑπέρ τε Φᾶσιν, κἀμὲ παρακαλεῖν ἀεί οὖσαν μὲν ἠπειρῶτιν, οὗ πεσήματα πλεῖσθ’ Ἑλλάδος πέπτωκε δοριπετῆ νεκρῶν, τοῦ σοῦ δὲ παιδὸς αἵματος κοινουμένην. 655Πάρις γάρ, ὃς σὸν παῖδ’ ἔπεφν’ Ἀχιλλέα, Ἕκτορος ἀδελφὸς ἦν, δάμαρ δ’ ἥδ’ Ἕκτορος. καὶ τῇδέ γ’ εἰσέρχῃ σὺ ταὐτὸν εἰς στέγος καὶ ξυντράπεζον ἀξιοῖς ἔχειν βίον, τίκτειν δ’ ἐν οἴκοις παῖδας ἐχθίστους ἐᾷς. 660ἁγὼ προνοίᾳ τῇ τε σῇ κἀμῇ, γέρον, κτανεῖν θέλων τήνδ’ ἐκ χερῶν ἁρπάζομαι. καίτοι φέρ’· ἅψασθαι γὰρ οὐκ αἰσχρὸν λόγου· ἢν παῖς μὲν ἡμὴ μὴ τέκῃ, ταύτης δ’ ἄπο βλάστωσι παῖδες, τῆσδε γῆς Φθιώτιδος 665στήσεις τυράννους, βάρβαροι δ’ ὄντες γένος Ἕλλησιν ἄρξουσ’; εἶτ’ ἐγὼ μὲν οὐ φρονῶ μισῶν τὰ μὴ δίκαια, σοὶ δ’ ἔνεστι νοῦς; γέρων γέρων εἶ. τὴν δ’ ἐμὴν στρατηγίαν λέγων ἔμ’ ὠφελοῖς ἂν ἢ σιγῶν πλέον. 680Ἑλένη δ’ ἐμόχθησ’ οὐχ ἑκοῦσ’, ἀλλ’ ἐκ θεῶν, καὶ τοῦτο πλεῖστον ὠφέλησεν Ἑλλάδα· ὅπλων γὰρ ὄντες καὶ μάχης ἀίστορες ἔβησαν εἰς τἀνδρεῖον· ἡ δ’ ὁμιλία πάντων βροτοῖσι γίγνεται διδάσκαλος. 685εἰ δ’ εἰς πρόσοψιν τῆς ἐμῆς ἐλθὼν ἐγὼ γυναικὸς ἔσχον μὴ κτανεῖν, ἐσωφρόνουν. οὐδ’ ἂν σὲ Φῶκον ἤθελον κατακτανεῖν. ταῦτ’ εὖ φρονῶν σ’ ἐπῆλθον, οὐκ ὀργῆς χάριν· ἢν δ’ ὀξυθυμῇς, σοὶ μὲν ἡ γλωσσαλγία 690μείζων, ἐμοὶ δὲ κέρδος ἡ προμηθία. Χορός παύσασθον ἤδη· λῷστα γὰρ μακρῷ τάδε· λόγων ματαίων, μὴ δύο σφαλῆθ’ ἅμα.

Menelaus Why, pray, should one call these old men wise, or those who once had a reputation in Hellas for being so? when thou, the great Peleus, employest language disgraceful to thyself and abusive of me because of a barbarian woman, though thou shouldst have banished her far beyond the streams of Nile or Phasis, and ever encouraged me; seeing that she comes from Asia’s continent where fell so many of the sons of Hellas, victims to the spear; and likewise because she shared in the spilling of thy son’s blood; for Paris who slew thy son Achilles, was brother to Hector, whose wife she was. And dost thou enter the same abode with her, and deign to let her share thy board, and suffer her to rear her brood of vipers in thy house? But I, after all this foresight for thee, old man, and myself, am to have her torn from my clutches for wishing to slay her. Yet come now, for there is no disgrace in arguing the matter out; suppose my daughter has no child, while this woman’s sons grow up, wilt thou set them up to rule the land of Phthia, barbarians born and bred to lord it over Hellenes? Am I then so void of sense because I hate injustice, and thou so full of cleverness? Consider yet another point; say thou hadst given a daughter of thine to some citizen, and hadst then seen her thus treated, wouldst thou have sat looking on in silence? I trow not. Dost thou then for a foreigner rail thus at thy nearest friends? Again, thou mayst say, husband and wife have an equally strong case if she is wronged by him, and similarly if he find her guilty of indiscretion in his house; yet while he has ample powers in his own hands, she depends on parents and friends for her case. Surely then I am right in helping my own kin! Thou art in thy dotage; for thou wilt do me more, good by speaking of my generalship than by concealing it. Helen’s trouble was not of her own choosing, but sent by heaven, and it proved a great benefit to Hellas; her sons, till then untried in war or arms, turned to deeds of prowess, and it is experience which teaches man all he knows. I showed my wisdom in refraining from slaying my wife, directly I caught sight of her. Would that thou too hadst ne’er slain Phocus! All this I bring before thee in pure good-will, not from anger. But if thou resent it, thy tongue may wag till it ache, yet shall I gain by prudent forethought.

Chorus Cease now from idle words, ’twere better far, for fear ye both alike go wrong.

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English translation by Edward P. Coleridge (1891). Original text: Greek text: Gilbert Murray (ed.), Euripidis Fabulae, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1902, as digitised by Perseus. English: Edward P. Coleridge, The Plays of Euripides, London: George Bell and Sons, first published 1891 (Bohn's Classical Library; the Perseus header records a later printing).

Greek text and translation from the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, CC BY-SA 4.0 (Perseus Digital Library); translation public domain. Introductions, summaries and notes © GreekMythology.com.