Euripides · Suppliants Ἱκέτιδες

Euripides, Suppliants 399–464: Second episode: the Theban Herald and Theseus debate tyranny and democracy

The Herald of Creon asks for the despot of the land, and Theseus answers that the city is not ruled by one man but is free, and the people rule. The Herald replies that his own city is ruled by one man, not by the mob, and that the people can be deceived by clever speakers, and Theseus answers that a tyrant is the enemy of a city, and that under a free city the poor and the rich have equal justice.

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Κῆρυξ 399τίς γῆς τύραννος; πρὸς τίνʼ ἀγγεῖλαί με χρὴ 400λόγους Κρέοντος, ὃς κρατεῖ Κάδμου χθονὸς Ἐτεοκλέους θανόντος ἀμφʼ ἑπταστόμους πύλας ἀδελφῇ χειρὶ Πολυνείκους ὕπο; Θησεύς πρῶτον μὲν ἤρξω τοῦ λόγου ψευδῶς, ξένε, ζητῶν τύραννον ἐνθάδʼ· οὐ γὰρ ἄρχεται 405ἑνὸς πρὸς ἀνδρός, ἀλλʼ ἐλευθέρα πόλις. δῆμος δʼ ἀνάσσει διαδοχαῖσιν ἐν μέρει ἐνιαυσίαισιν, οὐχὶ τῷ πλούτῳ διδοὺς τὸ πλεῖστον, ἀλλὰ χὡ πένης ἔχων ἴσον. Κῆρυξ ἓν μὲν τόδʼ ἡμῖν ὥσπερ ἐν πεσσοῖς δίδως 410κρεῖσσον· πόλις γὰρ ἧς ἐγὼ πάρειμʼ ἄπο ἑνὸς πρὸς ἀνδρός, οὐκ ὄχλῳ κρατύνεται· οὐδʼ ἔστιν αὐτὴν ὅστις ἐκχαυνῶν λόγοις πρὸς κέρδος ἴδιον ἄλλοτʼ ἄλλοσε στρέφει, τὸ δʼ αὐτίχʼ ἡδὺς καὶ διδοὺς πολλὴν χάριν, 415ἐσαῦθις ἔβλαψʼ, εἶτα διαβολαῖς νέαις κλέψας τὰ πρόσθε σφάλματʼ ἐξέδυ δίκης. ἄλλως τε πῶς ἂν μὴ διορθεύων λόγους ὀρθῶς δύναιτʼ ἂν δῆμος εὐθύνειν πόλιν; ὁ γὰρ χρόνος μάθησιν ἀντὶ τοῦ τάχους 420κρείσσω δίδωσι. γαπόνος δʼ ἀνὴρ πένης, εἰ καὶ γένοιτο μὴ ἀμαθής, ἔργων ὕπο οὐκ ἂν δύναιτο πρὸς τὰ κοίνʼ ἀποβλέπειν. ἦ δὴ νοσῶδες τοῦτο τοῖς ἀμείνοσιν, ὅταν πονηρὸς ἀξίωμʼ ἀνὴρ ἔχῃ 425γλώσσῃ κατασχὼν δῆμον, οὐδὲν ὢν τὸ πρίν.

Herald Who is the despot of this land? To whom must I announce the message of Creon, who rules o’er the land of Cadmus, since Eteocles was slain by the hand of his brother Polynices, at the sevenfold gates of Thebes?

Theseus Sir stranger, thou hast made a false beginning to thy speech, in seeking here a despot. For this city is not ruled by one man, but is free. The people rule in succession year by year, allowing no preference to wealth, but the poor man shares equally with the rich.

Herald Thou givest me here an advantage, as it might be in a game of draughts; for the city, whence I come, is ruled by one man only, not by the mob; none there puffs up the citizens with specious words, and for his own advantage twists them this way or that,—one moment dear to them and lavish of his favours, the next a bane to all; and yet by fresh calumnies of others he hides his former failures and escapes punishment. Besides, how shall the people, if it cannot form true judgments, be able rightly to direct the state? Nay, ’tis time, not haste, that affords a better understanding. A poor hind, granted he be not all unschooled, would still be unable from his toil to give his mind to politics. Verily the better sort count it no healthy sign when the worthless man obtains a reputation by beguiling with words the populace, though aforetime he was naught.

Θησεύς 426κομψός γʼ ὁ κῆρυξ καὶ παρεργάτης λόγων. ἐπεὶ δʼ ἀγῶνα καὶ σὺ τόνδʼ ἠγωνίσω, ἄκουʼ· ἅμιλλαν γὰρ σὺ προύθηκας λόγων. οὐδὲν τυράννου δυσμενέστερον πόλει, 430ὅπου τὸ μὲν πρώτιστον οὐκ εἰσὶν νόμοι κοινοί, κρατεῖ δʼ εἷς τὸν νόμον κεκτημένος αὐτὸς παρʼ αὑτῷ· καὶ τόδʼ οὐκέτʼ ἔστʼ ἴσον. γεγραμμένων δὲ τῶν νόμων ὅ τʼ ἀσθενὴς ὁ πλούσιός τε τὴν δίκην ἴσην ἔχει, 435ἔστιν δʼ ἐνισπεῖν τοῖσιν ἀσθενεστέροις τὸν εὐτυχοῦντα ταὔθʼ, ὅταν κλύῃ κακῶς, νικᾷ δʼ ὁ μείων τὸν μέγαν δίκαιʼ ἔχων. τοὐλεύθερον δʼ ἐκεῖνο· Τίς θέλει πόλει χρηστόν τι βούλευμʼ ἐς μέσον φέρειν ἔχων; 440καὶ ταῦθʼ ὁ χρῄζων λαμπρός ἐσθʼ, ὁ μὴ θέλων σιγᾷ. τί τούτων ἔστʼ ἰσαίτερον πόλει; καὶ μὴν ὅπου γε δῆμος αὐθέντης χθονός, ὑποῦσιν ἀστοῖς ἥδεται νεανίαις· ἀνὴρ δὲ βασιλεὺς ἐχθρὸν ἡγεῖται τόδε, 445καὶ τοὺς ἀρίστους οὕς τʼ ἂν ἡγῆται φρονεῖν κτείνει, δεδοικὼς τῆς τυραννίδος πέρι. πῶς οὖν ἔτʼ ἂν γένοιτʼ ἂν ἰσχυρὰ πόλις, ὅταν τις ὡς λειμῶνος ἠρινοῦ στάχυν τόλμας ἀφαιρῇ κἀπολωτίζῃ νέους; 450κτᾶσθαι δὲ πλοῦτον καὶ βίον τί δεῖ τέκνοις ὡς τῷ τυράννῳ πλείονʼ ἐκμοχθῇ βίον; ἢ παρθενεύειν παῖδας ἐν δόμοις καλῶς, τερπνὰς τυράννοις ἡδονάς, ὅταν θέλῃ, δάκρυα δʼ ἑτοιμάζουσι; μὴ ζῴην ἔτι, 455εἰ τἀμὰ τέκνα πρὸς βίαν νυμφεύσεται. καὶ ταῦτα μὲν δὴ πρὸς τὰ σὰ ἐξηκόντισα. ἥκεις δὲ δὴ τί τῆσδε γῆς κεχρημένος; κλαίων γʼ ἂν ἦλθες, εἴ σε μὴ ῎πεμψεν πόλις, περισσὰ φωνῶν· τὸν γὰρ ἄγγελον χρεὼν 460λέξανθʼ ὅσʼ ἂν τάξῃ τις ὡς τάχος πάλιν χωρεῖν. τὸ λοιπὸν δʼ εἰς ἐμὴν πόλιν Κρέων ἧσσον λάλον σου πεμπέτω τινʼ ἄγγελον. Χορός φεῦ φεῦ· κακοῖσιν ὡς ὅταν δαίμων διδῷ καλῶς, ὑβρίζουσʼ ὡς ἀεὶ πράξοντες εὖ.

Theseus This herald is a clever fellow, a dabbler in the art of talk. But since thou hast thus entered the lists with me, listen awhile, for ’twas thou didst challenge a discussion. Naught is more hostile to a city than a despot; where he is, there are in the first place no laws common to all, but one man is tyrant, in whose keeping and in his alone the law resides, and in that case equality is at an end. But when the laws are written down, rich and poor alike have equal justice, and it is open to the weaker to use the same language to the prosperous when he is reviled by him, and the weaker prevails over the stronger if he have justice on his side. Freedom’s mark is also seen in this: Who hath wholesome counsel to declare unto the state? And he who chooses to do so gains renown, while he, who hath no wish, remains silent. What greater equality can there be in a city? Again, where the people are absolute rulers of the land, they rejoice in having a reserve of youthful citizens, while a king counts this a hostile element, and strives to slay the leading men, all such as he deems discreet, for he feareth for his power. How then can a city remain stable, where one cuts short all enterprise and mows down the young like meadow-flowers in spring-time? What boots it to acquire wealth and livelihood for children, merely to add to the tyrant’s substance by one’s toil? Why train up virgin daughters virtuously in our homes to gratify a tyrant’s whim, whenso he will, and cause tears to those who rear them? May my life end if ever my children are to be wedded by violence! This bolt I launch in answer to thy words. Now say, why art thou come? what needest thou of this land? Had not thy city sent thee, to thy cost hadst thou come with thy outrageous utterances; for it is the herald’s duty to tell the message he is bidden and hie him back in haste. Henceforth forth let Creon send to my city some other messenger less talkative than thee.

Chorus Look you! how insolent the villains are, when Fortune is kind to them, just as if it would be well with them for ever.

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English translation by Edward P. Coleridge (1891). Original text: Greek text: Gilbert Murray (ed.), Euripidis Fabulae, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1913, as digitised by Perseus. English: Edward P. Coleridge, The Plays of Euripides, London: George Bell and Sons, first published 1891 (Bohn's Classical Library; the Perseus header records a later printing).

Greek text and translation from the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, CC BY-SA 4.0 (Perseus Digital Library); translation public domain. Introductions, summaries and notes © GreekMythology.com.