Aristophanes · Thesmophoriazusae Θεσμοφοριάζουσαι

Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae 785–845: Parabasis: the women defend their sex

The chorus of women turn to the audience and argue that, whatever the poets say, women are no plague to men, who guard them closely at home and miss them when they are away. They claim that women are better than men, thriftier and more honest about money, and that men have thrown away their shields. They end by asking that the mothers of brave soldiers be honoured above the mothers of cowards, such as the mother of Hyperbolus.

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785ἡμεῖς τοίνυν ἡμᾶς αὐτὰς εὖ λέξωμεν παραβᾶσαι, καίτοι πᾶς τις τὸ γυναικεῖον φῦλον κακὰ πόλλʼ ἀγορεύει, ὡς πᾶν ἐσμὲν κακὸν ἀνθρώποις κἀξ ἡμῶν ἐστιν ἅπαντα, ἔριδες νείκη στάσις ἀργαλέα λύπη πόλεμος. φέρε δή νυν,

Now let us turn to the people, our own panegyric to render. Men never speak a good word, never one, for the feminine gender, Every one says we’re a Plague, the source of all evils to man, War, dissension, and strife. Come, answer me this, if you can;

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789εἰ κακόν ἐσμεν, τί γαμεῖθʼ ἡμᾶς, εἴπερ ἀληθῶς κακόν ἐσμεν, 790κἀπαγορεύετε μήτʼ ἐξελθεῖν μήτʼ ἐκκύψασαν ἁλῶναι, ἀλλʼ οὑτωσὶ πολλῇ σπουδῇ τὸ κακὸν βούλεσθε φυλάττειν; κἂν ἐξέλθῃ τὸ γύναιόν ποι, κᾆθʼ εὕρητʼ αὐτὸ θύρασιν, μανίας μαίνεσθʼ, οὓς χρῆν σπένδειν καὶ χαίρειν, εἴπερ ἀληθῶς ἔνδοθεν ηὕρετε φροῦδον τὸ κακὸν καὶ μὴ κατελαμβάνετʼ ἔνδον. 795κἂν καταδάρθωμεν ἐν ἀλλοτρίων παίζουσαι καὶ κοπιῶσαι, πᾶς τις τὸ κακὸν τοῦτο ζητεῖ περὶ τὰς κλίνας περινοστῶν. κἂν ἐκ θυρίδος παρακύπτωμεν, τὸ κακὸν ζητεῖτε θεᾶσθαι· κἂν αἰσχυνθεῖσʼ ἀναχωρήσῃ, πολὺ μᾶλλον πᾶς ἐπιθυμεῖ αὖθις τὸ κακὸν παρακύψαν ἰδεῖν. οὕτως ἡμεῖς ἐπιδήλως 800ὑμῶν ἐσμεν πολὺ βελτίους, βάσανός τε πάρεστιν ἰδέσθαι. βάσανον δῶμεν πότεροι χείρους. ἡμεῖς μὲν γάρ φαμεν ὑμᾶς, ὑμεῖς δʼ ἡμᾶς. σκεψώμεθα δὴ κἀντιτιθῶμεν πρὸς ἕκαστον, παραβάλλουσαι τῆς τε γυναικὸς καὶ τἀνδρὸς τοὔνομʼ ἑκάστου. Ναυσιμάχης μέν γʼ ἥττων ἐστὶν Χαρμῖνος· δῆλα δὲ τἄργα.

Why, if we’re really a Plague, you’re so anxious to have us for wives; And charge us not to be peeping, nor to stir out of doors for our lives. Isn’t it silly to guard a Plague with such scrupulous care? Zounds! how you rave, coming home, if your poor little wife isn’t there. Should you not rather be glad, and rejoice all the days of your life, Rid of a Plague, you know, the source of dissension and strife? If on a visit we sport, and sleep when the sporting is over, O, how you rummage about; what a fuss, your lost Plague to discover. Every one stares at your Plague if she happens to look on the street: Stares all the more if your Plague thinks proper to blush and retreat. Is it not plain then, I ask, that Women are really the best? What, can you doubt that we are? I will bring it at once to the test. We say Women are best; you men (just like you) deny it, Nothing on earth is so easy as to come to the test, and to try it. I’ll take the name of a Man, and the name of a Woman, and show it. Did not Charminus give way to Miss-Fortune? Do you not know it?

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805καὶ μὲν δὴ καὶ Κλεοφῶν χείρων πάντως δήπου Ξαλαβακχοῦς. πρὸς Ἀριστομάχην δὲ χρόνου πολλοῦ, πρὸς ἐκείνην τὴν Μαραθῶνι, καὶ Ξτρατονίκην ὑμῶν οὐδεὶς οὐδʼ ἐγχειρεῖ πολεμίζειν. ἀλλʼ Εὐβούλης τῶν πέρυσίν τις βουλευτής ἐστιν ἀμείνων παραδοὺς ἑτέρῳ τὴν βουλείαν; οὐδʼ αὐτὸς τοῦτό γε φήσεις. 810οὕτως ἡμεῖς πολὺ βελτίους τῶν ἀνδρῶν εὐχόμεθʼ εἶναι. οὐδʼ ἂν κλέψασα γυνὴ ζεύγει κατὰ πεντήκοντα τάλαντα ἐς πόλιν ἔλθοι τῶν δημοσίων· ἀλλʼ ἢν τὰ μέγισθʼ ὑφέληται φορμὸν πυρῶν τἀνδρὸς κλέψασʼ, αὐθημερὸν αὔτʼ ἀπέδωκεν. ἀλλʼ ἡμεῖς ἂν πολλοὺς τούτων 815ἀποδείξαιμεν ταῦτα ποιοῦντας. καὶ πρὸς τούτοις γάστριδας ἡμῶν ὄντας μᾶλλον καὶ λωποδύτας καὶ βωμολόχους κἀνδραποδιστάς.

Is not Cleophon viler than vile Salabaccho by far? Is there a Man who can equal, in matters of glory and war, Lady Victoria, Mistress of Marathon, queen of the Sea? Is not Prudence a Woman, and who is so clever as she? Certainly none of your statesmen, who only a twelvemonth ago Gave up their place and their duty. Would women demean themselves so? Women don’t ride in their coaches, as Men have been doing of late, Pockets and purses distended with cash they have filched from the State. We, at the very outside, steal a wee little jorum of corn, Putting it back in the even, whatever we took in the morn. (The Strophe.) But this is a true description of you. Are ye not gluttonous, vulgar, perverse, Kidnappers, housebreakers, footpads, and worse?

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819καὶ μὲν δήπου καὶ τὰ πατρῷά γε 820χείρους ἡμῶν εἰσιν σῴζειν· ἡμῖν μὲν γὰρ σῶν ἔτι καὶ νῦν τἀντίον ὁ κανὼν οἱ καλαθίσκοι τὸ σκιάδειον· τοῖς δʼ ἡμετέροις ἀνδράσι τούτοις 825ἀπόλωλεν μὲν πολλοῖς ὁ κανὼν ἐκ τῶν οἴκων αὐτῇ λόγχῃ, πολλοῖς δʼ ἑτέροις ἀπὸ τῶν ὤμων ἐν ταῖς στρατιαῖς ἔρριπται τὸ σκιάδειον. 830πόλλʼ ἂν αἱ γυναῖκες ἡμεῖς ἐν δίκῃ μεμψαίμεθʼ ἂν τοῖσιν ἀνδράσιν δικαίως, ἓν δʼ ὑπερφυέστατον. χρῆν γάρ, ἡμῶν εἰ τέκοι τις ἄνδρα χρηστὸν τῇ πόλει, ταξίαρχον ἢ στρατηγόν, λαμβάνειν τιμήν τινα, προεδρίαν τʼ αὐτῇ δίδοσθαι Στηνίοισι καὶ Σκίροις 835ἔν τε ταῖς ἄλλαις ἑορταῖς αἷσιν ἡμεῖς ἤγομεν· εἰ δὲ δειλὸν καὶ πονηρὸν ἄνδρα τις τέκοι γυνή, ἢ τριήραρχον πονηρὸν ἢ κυβερνήτην κακόν, ὑστέραν αὐτὴν καθῆσθαι σκάφιον ἀποκεκαρμένην

And we in domestic economy too Are thriftier, shiftier, wiser than you. For the loom which our mothers employed with such skill, With its Shafts and its Thongs,—we are working it still. And the ancient umbrella by no means is done, We are wielding it yet, as our Shield from the Sun. But O for the Shafts, and the Thong of the Shield, Which your Fathers in fight were accustomed to wield. Where are they to-day? Ye have cast them away As ye raced, in hot haste, and disgraced, from the fray! (The Epirrhema.) Many things we have against you, many rules we justly blame; But the one we now will mention is the most enormous shame. What, my masters! ought a lady, who has borne a noble son, One who in your fleets and armies great heroic deeds has done, Ought she to remain unhonoured? ought she not, I ask you, I, In our Stenia and our Scira still to take precedence high? Whoso breeds a cowardly soldier, or a seaman cold and tame. Crop her hair, and seat her lowly; brand her with the marks of shame;

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839τῆς τὸν ἀνδρεῖον τεκούσης. τῷ γὰρ εἰκὸς ὦ πόλις 840τὴν Ὑπερβόλου καθῆσθαι μητέρʼ ἠμφιεσμένην λευκὰ καὶ κόμας καθεῖσαν πλησίον τῆς Λαμάχου, καὶ δανείζειν χρήμαθʼ, ᾗ χρῆν, εἰ δανείσειέν τινι καὶ τόκον πράττοιτο, διδόναι μηδένʼ ἀνθρώπων τόκον, ἀλλʼ ἀφαιρεῖσθαι βίᾳ τὰ χρήματʼ εἰπόντας τοδί, 845ἀξία γοῦν εἶ τόκου τεκοῦσα τοιοῦτον τόκον.

Set the nobler dame above her. Can it, all ye Powers, be right That Hyperbolus’s mother, flowing-haired, and robed in white, Should in public places sit by Lamachus’s mother’s side, Hoarding wealth, and lending monies, gathering profits far and wide? Sure ’twere better every debtor, calm, resolving not to pay, When she comes exacting money, with a mild surprise should say, Keeping principal and income, You to claim percentage due! Sure a son so capital is CAPITAL enough for you.

English translation by Benjamin Bickley Rogers (1924). Original text: Greek text: F. W. Hall and W. M. Geldart (eds.), Aristophanis Comoediae, Oxford Classical Texts, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1906-1907, as digitised by Perseus. English: Benjamin Bickley Rogers, Aristophanes, vol. III, Loeb Classical Library, London: William Heinemann, and New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1924.

Greek text and translation from the Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University, Greek: CC BY-SA 4.0 (Perseus Digital Library); translation public domain (Rogers). Introductions, summaries and notes © GreekMythology.com.